From:       "Steve Crietzman" president@savetheamiga.org.uk
Subject:    Open Letter to the Amiga Community
Date:       Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:01:03 -0000

An Open Letter to the Amiga Community:

 COSA Progress Update

 November 17, 1999

 Dear Fellow Amigans:

 COSA feels it is time that we followed up on our open letters to Tom
Schmidt with a letter to the people that really matter: you, the
members of the Amiga community.

 We have so much news to report, and so much progress has been
made in recent weeks, that we felt it was time that we the community
on to date on our progress.

I want to start by thanking everyone who has written us with good
comments and suggestions over the past several weeks.  I also
want to assure you all that we have read each and every e-mail
message sent to us very carefully, and considered the issues you
have raised in great detail.

It is clear to us that there is still a great deal of confusion amongst the
community as to what COSA is doing, and what we are trying to achieve.
The responsibility for this lies with me, for not properly communicating
our plans to the Amiga community.  I would like to make amends for that
now, by taking a leaf out of Jim Collas's book, and providing you with
regular updates on our progress from this point forwards.

I would like to start by tackling the main issues of confusion: explaining
who COSA is, where we came from, and why we're here.

COSA, the Campaign to Open Source AmigaOS, had it's beginnings
soon after the Amiga executive updates of September 14th and
17th.  We were formed to bring together the Amiga community, and
to discuss ways forward for the Amiga.

On October 4th, after several weeks of discussion and exchanging of
ideas, we came to the conclusion that what makes the Amiga special
and unique, is the operating system.  The technology may be falling
behind, but our operating system still has something special and unique
to offer the world, and that's what has really kept us with the platform
through the last several years.

With this in mind, our discussions then focused on ways to preserve and
expand the Amiga operating system.  We discussed many
possibilities.  But we realised we also needed to think long-term.  Not
just about the immediate future of the operating system, but it's long-
term survival and growth, in a highly competitive, ever-changing
computing industry.

We concluded that to survive in this market, Amiga OS needs to be
overhauled and upgraded.  It needs to be brought up-to-date to take
advantage of new hardware and concepts in software engineering that
have emerged over the past six years.

Amiga OS also needs to be made available to the masses.  As much
as we wish it wasn't true, the traditional Amiga market is shrinking.  The
classic Amiga range is no longer competitive or attractive to the masses,
and therefore people will not be rushing to their local computer stores to
buy new Amigas.

For it's long-term survival and growth, Amiga OS also needs to be made
available to a wide variety of CPUs, or what Jim Collas referred to as
"operating environments."

Devoid of Gateway's official support for an aggressive expansion of the
Amiga OS in this way, we need to search for another large group of
people with the necessary commitment and ability to "make it happen."

We need to look no further than the high degree of talent that already
exists in the Amiga developer community.  We have AROS.  We have the
Aminet freeware developers.  We have commercial developers.  And
we have over 100 registered developers who have already pledged
to work on an open-source Amiga OS if it becomes available.

Collectively, the worldwide Amiga development community has the
manpower and experience necessary to bring the Amiga operating
system into the 21st century, and keep the Amiga vision alive.

The Amiga community needs to unite like never before.  We can no
longer rely on anyone but ourselves, because there is no-one else
left.

No Commodore.  No Escom.  No Gateway.

Just the Amiga community of users, developers and dealers - no
parent company to guide us.

With no parents, it becomes time we became responsible for
ourselves - that we collectively pull our resources together, and
convince Gateway to let the community have a go where others
have failed.

COSA has been in contact with many key players in the Amiga
community to discuss the way forward.  These include Amiga
International, Amino, Haage and Partner, AROS, Project IMP,
PowerOS, and even Tom Schmidt at Amiga Inc.  We are
partners in this process.

Collectively, we are working together to create a roadmap for the
future development of the Amiga operating system.

It is important people realise that we are not creating a new
Amiga OS.  We are not replacing it, either.  Our proposal is for the
community to collectively drive future upgrades of the current Amiga
operating system.  To take what we already have, and build upon
it.

By "community," we do not exclude anyone.  Anyone with an Amiga
or who understands the Amiga is included.  Haage and Partner,
the current developers of OS 3.5, are most certainly not excluded
from taking part in this process.

Our vision includes Haage and Partner at the forefront of Amiga
OS development, supported by a worldwide team of open-source
developers.  We are hopeful of reaching an agreement/compromise
with H&P over a role for their company and developers in the future
development of an open-source AmigaOS.

Together, we hope to present a united plan to Amiga Inc to bring the
Amiga operating system closer to the community.  It is way past time
that the community takes charge of it's own destiny, and we believe
open-sourcing the OS is the easiest and most common-sense, long-
term way to do this.

In the coming weeks, a Frequently Asked Questions section will
be created on COSA's website to address the most common
questions, concerns, ideas, and thoughts presented to us.  We
will also be publishing a green paper that details a possible
migration from the current closed-source system to an inclusive
open-source system, whereby everyone - Haage and Partner,
AROS, PowerOS, Aminet developers, everyone - is able to
contribute and work on the Amiga OS project - building on
what we already have, and improving it.

The weeks and months ahead hold much promise.  All we ask
from you, the community, is to give us time, and a little breathing
room.

We do not yet have all the answers, but as time passes, more and
more questions are being asked, more answers to these questions
found, and the mist that obscures the path ahead is clearing.

We realise the community has been let down many times in the past,
and we do not expect to earn your trust or faith overnight. All we ask
is that you give us a chance, and that you give us time.  We hope,
however, that over the long-term, COSA will be able to earn your
trust and restore your faith in the Amiga platform and it's future.

Because at the end of the day, it is the Amiga community that we
serve.  COSA is here to help bring the community together, into
discussion and dialogue, and help us collectively find a way out of
the fog that currently obscures the future of everyone's favourite OS.

>From recent events, it would seem that AROS, Project IMP,
PowerOS, Haage and Partner, Amiga International and COSA
are all in total agreement that discussion and co-operation, and
not competition, is the way forward for our community.

COSA has succeeded in bringing these groups to talk to each
other.  Now COSA hopes to play a role in finding an open-source
solution that will satisfy these groups and bring a bright future to
the Amiga operating system, and we intend to do just that.

If we stand together as a community, we can collectively ensure
the success of our favourite operating system, AmigaOS.  If we are
divided, we will all collectively fail.

We ask that the community gives the process that COSA has fostered
a chance to develop and grow, and allow these groups to co-operate with
each other and find a common settlement that will be of benefit to
Amigans everywhere.

Your own contributions to this process would be much appreciated.
Visit our website for details on how you can help this process succeed.

COSA is here to help Amigans everywhere by giving Amiga OS a bright
future.

Best regards,

Steve Crietzman
President, Campaign to Open Source AmigaOS
On behalf of our members and partners
http://www.savetheamiga.org.uk/

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comm          37 MB          120           Communications
demo         117 MB           70           Graphics & sound demo
dev           25 MB           93           Development software
disk           1 MB           18           Disk & HD tools
docs          95 MB          122           Documents
game          90 MB          114           Games
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hard          12 MB           18           Hardware related
misc          57 MB           46           Miscellaneous
mods         300 MB          203           Music modules
mus           27 MB           40           Music software
pix           73 MB           81           Pictures
text           3 MB           24           Text software
util          41 MB          176           Utilities

• bugfix in 68060 version; some games showed gfx bugs (Ashguine; MonMonMonster; SuperRambo)
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• definite speed increases when using on workbench

• improved, faster console (editing and input capabilities)
• security aspects expanded
• personal settings offer more flexibility
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Editor's Thoughts and Introduction:

 Our last issue carried the first statement from Amiga's new
President. There were probably some readers who thought our reaction
overly negative. That number may increase after reading his second
statement, below. However, most of our readers seem to feel as we do,
that with the latest moves at Amiga, there is no more future for an
Amiga we would recognize. At least, none with the company which
carries the name.
 While Mr. Schmidt talks of licensing others to make Amiga computers,
he doesn't make any references to maintaining the standards for
hardware and operating system within Amiga. He speaks only of the
specifications for the MCC itself. It's vital for such standards to be
maintained if there's to be any kind of an Amiga computer at all. This
is our main concern with recent events, not the fact that Amiga won't
make any computers themselves. Yes, that bothers us also, since they'd
indicated they would actually build some at least. However, the real
key is to ensure clone compatibility with a meaningful standard. So
far, what we're seeing gives us little hope for such control. And
pulling away from making any computers, which would provide a standard
for clones, is a very strong negative statement. Also, remember Amiga
OS 5 has disappeared from the Amiga web site. Folks, these are pretty
strong indications, and they don't indicate good things. If Amiga
proves to actually license and maintain meaningful standards for next
generation computers, then we'll reverse our opinion of them gladly,
and be happy to admit our misjudgement. We doubt we'll have to "eat
crow" though, to use an old American saying.
 We also find it disingenuous for Amiga to say that bringing the MCC
to market was beyond them. If so, buy stock in Dell and sell any you
have in Gateway. There certainly are risks, but the approach Amiga was
persuing would not be beyond Gateway, and only beyond Amiga if Gateway
chose to make it so. We suspect there were people within Gateway who
didn't see the worth, and did see the risks. This is common when a new
opportunity collides with a company that's lost the entrepreneurial
spirit and can't recapture it. Especially if there were pressure from
Microsoft, as has been alleged in some quarters.
 We feel it's still possible for Gateway/Amiga to come up with
something that will please the Amiga community down the road. We also
feel the odds are greatly against it. If the Amiga is to survive as a
computer platform, it probably is in the hands of the community. This
is a heady and heavy challenge. We hope the people trying to make this
work will succeed, and we stand ready to help them get the word out to
you as they go forward.
 There are many efforts being launched by the community. Besides the
"Phoenix Consortium" mentioned in last issue, there's AQUA (a software
architecture whose name stood for Amiga QNX Uniform Architecture, at
least originally, and maybe still does), Amino (an Amiga like company
name being discussed by former Amiga Inc. employee Fleecy Moss), and
TAC (Team AMIGA Central). Despite requests for information to
individuals identified as participating in these groups, none of them
has responded to "Amiga Update" at this time. Some of the e-mail just
bounced from the addresses we found on mostly empty web sites. Other
e-mail went unresponded to. The reason for silence mentioned in the
few public statements made is that pieces aren't in place yet to
provide information properly, or that nothing is yet ready and there
will be no premature announcements. Both are good reasons, but the
situation does leave us unclear on who'll be doing what and what the
relationships among groups is. As the picture clarifies, we'll bring
you information. Well known Amigans such as Fleecy Moss and Bill
McEwan have their names associated with much of the activity. Fleecy
has given a long interview on some of what's underway. It can be found
at http://www.williams.demon.co.uk/seal/fleecyint2.html as I write
this.
 From where we sit, it's all very confused at the moment. Lots of
acronyms, lots of good intentions, too early for anything real or any
idea if there ever will be anything real. We do hope so. But we still
have the standards issue ...

TransMeta - No Betta' Than Gateway?

 Recently the CEO of TransMeta was quoted as saying there was never
any connection between the secretive company and Amiga. The name
TransMeta appeared at World of Amiga only because it was in the
background of a picture of Linus Torvalds, the inventor of Linux, who
works for TransMeta. Unfortunately for that story, there were many
Amigans watching, some of whom captured images of the presentation,
who will be happy to state the name was on the list of partners, not
in the background at all.
 Maybe we're better off without TransMeta, whatever they're doing. One
thing we don't need more of is "untruths".
 We hope you enjoy this issue.
 Brad Webb,
 Editor
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E-mail to the E-ditor:

10 Sep 1999
Hello Brad,

 I am the manager for the San Francisco State Univ. Residential
Network (ResNet). We have ~1500 kids in our networked dorms. Each
semester I get asked by kids and their parents what computer should
they get. Well guess what, after two years of suggesting Gateway
computers...All of a sudden my opinion has changed...Gateway?!...No, I
think you would be much happier with a Dell :)
                                     Kind Regards,

                                    Harry
==
Harry,
 Thanks very much for the note and permission to print it. To the
readers: Harry's note is in response to our last issue in which I
mentioned I expected a backlash against Gateway that could be
surprising to them because many Amigans are involved professionally
in the IT industry in one way or another. I'm sure Harry isn't alone
in his response and I must admit it brought a smile to my face.
 Brad

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16 Sep 1999
Dear Brad,

 The one thing that is very obvious about Mr. Schmidt's release is
that it is classic double-speak: it takes great pains to really say
nothing at all.

 My counter to this release would be to tell Mr. Schmidt and Gateway
to go ahead with their next millenium multimedia "appliance" and if
they really need to call it "Amiga", then do so, but they could at
least show some respect for the Amiga community by releasing the
rights to the old OS and hardware so that someone (maybe this Phoenix
group) can try to continue on our own path even if it's not called
Amiga but something else.

 I've been using Linux now for most of the year. I think Linux shows
us how to almost but not quite get it right. The Open Source concept
is the key element that could resurrect the Amiga if anything can.
What Linux lacks is anything beyond all the excited geeks who really
believe in it. There is a pretense of support for Linux in all of its
"documentation", but the documentation is largely a barely readable
diverse collection of highly technical information, a lot of which is
outdated and incorrect as far as newer releases of the kernel go.

 I have Wordperfect 8 for Linux and it works pretty well. It appears
that Corel feels that because they allow it to be downloaded for free
that they don't need to fix some of the glaring glitches in the
display that are quite annoying (makes it look like a beta version). I
even paid for a licensed copy of Wordperfect 8, and noted after I
bought it that the CDROM manual that comes with it is for Wordperfect
7, and because of MANY differences in the operation of 7 and 8, it is
virtually useless -- fortunately the written manual is correct. I
wanted to email them to let them know about these various problems,
but I can't find any email address on their website to send it to --
I'm certainly not going to pay for a phone call just to tell them all
these problems. I keep wondering, where are the fixes?

 So the gist I get is that the commercial players are using Linux for
two things: 1)to get back at Microsoft, and 2)to save money by not
having to finish and support their products. Doesn't sound like the
beginning of a success story to me.

 Personally, I view Linux as a way to keep myself intellectually
occupied as I fumble my way around its innards. Meanwhile, I'm trying
to learn Perl.

Greg
==
Greg,
 If Linux is to continue its growth, it's going to have to address all
problems of the nature you describe. It's too bad the Amiga will not
be in a position to help.
 As for releasing the source of Amiga OS, that might indeed help. Just
because Amiga OS is old doesn't mean it's bad. One reason many
professionals in the IT world prefer UNIX to NT, and that includes me,
is because UNIX has been around long enough to become very stable and
mature. Amiga OS needs improvements in key areas, but it's also been
tempered by time.
 Brad
~~~~~~

15 Sep 1999
        ...say it ain't so, Brad...

 I'm having trouble believing that Amiga is dead again. I need to hear
it from Gateway. Yeah, I'd love to hear them admit that they did
something so massively stupid. They came along at a time when
MicroSoft was starting to show the strain; they found and bought a
technology that had the potential to finally loosen ol' Visa Bill's
grip on his monopoly; they set up a company to develop it, put their
best people in it, poured dump truck loads of money into it; then,
mere months before this shining hope was ready for release, they took
the very part of the technology, (controlling internet appliances),
that Microsoft already has wrapped up and chucked the whole rest of it
in the dumpster! Irving Gould and Medhi Ali weren't _that_ stupid!

P.S. Do you know off hand what the status of OS3.5 is?

Allan
==
Allan,
 I think you echo questions a large number of Amigans are asking. As
for OS 3.5, as nearly as I can tell it's real and coming. I have my
copy on order.
 Brad

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15 Sep 1999
Hello Brad

    After constructing a long response to Tom Schmidt's statement,
  I decided to erase it and just say I think he's "full of beans".
  It's discouraging that he can't tell the difference between
  hundreds versus thousands of e-mails as it is quite a large
  gap.  He says "Long live Amiga" but Gateway-Amiga has only
  orphaned it once again in the same fashion of Commodore and Escom
  have done with broken promises, mis-management, and greed.
    THE real Amiga has been the devotion, work, and sacrifice of
  designers, programmers, developers, and users.  They support and
  appreciate this "box and O/S" which makes their lives better.
  It's a wonderful workhorse and work of art.  I personally want
  it spread again so that everyone has the opportunity to at least
  know what it is.  I don't care if it's the number one seller, but
  I do care if its decendant is still around for us to use.  So
  call me selfish.....
    Thank you very much for your newsletter, and thanks for posting
  the Phoenix information.  They have my full support.

    - Lars
==
Lars,
 Like you, we wish the Phoenix consortium the best. They have a very
difficult road ahead of them. On their side is that fact that no-one
else has ever done what the Amiga community has already done. This
computer has largely been kept alive by the community for years. Now
it looks like it much be 100% a community project.
 Brad
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14 Sep 1999

 I'm not so sure this is all that bad. Months ago, Gateway said they
weren't going to make the AmigaNG computer, just license the Amiga
technology/OS. Collas said the same a few weeks ago. So now we're back
to the same story.

 What has happened is that Amiga Inc./Gateway has gone into stealth
mode after a lot of publicity, after saying earlier they didn't want
to tip their hand to possible competitors (e.g. Microsoft) who could
thwart their plans. Could not recent events serve to conceal Gateway's
true plans, plans more to our liking than some are willing to admit?

 Maybe we'll find out in "two more weeks" (OK, 4 more months) :-)

Gary
==
Gary,
 We honestly didn't pick and chose our letters for this issue to set a
theme, the tone you see here accurately reflects how our readers feel.
Thank you for providing a counterpoint view. We actually find it a
positive thing that there are still some with hope for the future, and
hope in Gateway/Amiga. However, for the reasons I state in my
editorial above, I really don't expect anything from them. Here's
hoping I'm wrong and you're right.
 Brad

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11 Sep 1999 21:11:31 GMT

Congratulations Ted,

 Your silence is dammning. you most likely will be remembered as the
man who finally laid Amiga to rest.

 I suspect that we are so firecely protective of the Amiga because ALL
of the alternatives, despite their dazzling specs are still
"un-satisfying" to use.

 I run a growing business here in Japan using Amigas...it is quite
difficult to to get hardare and software at times but I persist
because all the Macs and PCs just do not "cut it"

 In closing, I wonder how my business would fare with you as the CEO.
Judging by the track record thus far, I shudder to think.

 Congratulations Ted.

 It's an odd an unfamiliar feeling to say that even though I do not
know you and most probably will never meet you in your lofty
circles...I don't like you.

 In the end, you are responsible. That is how I personally see it.

 The Amiga is not a token in a Monopoly game to us.

Michael
==
Michael,
 I doubt Ted Waite reads "Amiga Update", but I wish he did. As you
say, in the end it's his company. Maybe in Waite/Schmidt we'll have
another pair to place besides Gould/Ali. In truth, we're not quite at
that point yet. There still is a very slim possibility Gateway/Amiga
will do something the community will applaud. I'm not holding my
breath waiting, however.
 We hope you'll forgive us for excerpting your letter. We had to do
that to many of the notes above also, and some letters we couldn't fit
in at all. For some odd reason, the old mailbox at "Amiga Update" is
more full than it's been in a long time ...
 Brad
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September 17, 1999

Open Letter to the Amiga Community

 There has been a great deal of confusion and frustration expressed in
the news groups and via email over the past several weeks. I apologize
that we have not been more direct in our communications, and I want to
set the record straight.

 First, per my previous messages, I continue to be impressed with the
passion and commitment of this community. You have "hung in there''
through a number of upheavals over the past years, and through several
false starts on next-generation Amiga platforms. You deserve better. I
have received many, many emails over the past two weeks, expressing
your opinions and frustrations. Let me try and summarize what I have
heard.

 Many of you acknowledge the fact that we are focusing on software for
the coming generation of "Internet appliances.'' We are very excited
about the new Amiga Operating Environment, the work we are doing with
Linux (and other operating systems that support Java), and the huge
growth curve in Internet appliances that we are going to ride. You
have gracefully wished us well in this endeavor, for that, I thank
you. As you know, we announced in July that we were pursuing the
development of a "multimedia convergence computer'' that would serve
as the next-generation Amiga desktop computer. After the change in
management at Amiga, we reviewed all our product plans. To be honest,
the ability for us to deliver the MCC was unrealistic. Furthermore, I
have fundamentally decided that it would be better to partner with a
wide variety of hardware partners, rather than compete against them
with a product of our own.

 From your perspective, one big problem exists. Sounds great, but what
does this new direction have to do with the original Amiga computer?
Quite honestly, nothing! We realize that this does not satisfy the
desire of the Amiga community for a next-generation Amiga. In
response, I remain committed to seek out partners who are interested
in developing a next-generation Amiga computer and operating system.
We have been following the discussions amongst the newly formed
"Phoenix Platform Consortium'' and talking to companies interested in
supplying the next-generation Amiga. We are open to the possibility of
licensing the MCC product specification and design that is now on the
shelf to companies that are interested in further developing the Amiga
desktop computer product line. We believe that this could be an
attractive business opportunity for another company.

 In summary, we are continuing to focus our resources on setting
software standards for the coming generation of Internet appliances.
We are not planning to offer hardware devices, but will work with
hardware manufacturers who want to license our technology. As far as
offering next-generation Amiga systems, we are open to talking to
companies who want to offer such a product. For those of you who are
excited about the Amiga Operating Environment running on a wide
variety of future Internet appliances, we invite you to track our
progress and activities over the coming months. The Internet appliance
software model that we are putting together will open up an exciting
new era of software development that we think will be very interesting
to the type of innovative thinkers who were drawn to the Amiga
computer in years past.

Best Regards,

Thomas J. Schmidt
President and CEO
Amiga, Inc.
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        M O T O R O L A   -   N E W   P P C   S T R A T E G Y

Motorola PowerPC Microprocessor Strategy (32K pdf)

      Motorola Discloses New PowerPCTM Microprocessor Strategy Roadmap

      Customers announce products based on the MPC7400 microprocessor

 Austin, TX - September 13, 1999 - In a move to demonstrate their
strong long-term commitment to the PowerPC architecture as a strategic
solution addressing multiple markets, Motorola (NYSE: MOT) today
revealed its PowerPC Microprocessor Strategy Roadmap. Details included
information on the future direction for development of leading-edge
microprocessors, integrated devices, innovative design methodologies
and manufacturing processes, as well as an aggressive strategy for
rapid reuse of these technologies. The new products, all to be created
at Motorola design centers worldwide, expand the PowerPC portfolio
providing solutions for the networking, telecommunications, computing,
transportation and other high-end embedded markets. The announcement
was made during the keynote address at the company's Horizons '99
event, where several customers demonstrated new products based on the
recently announced MPC7400 PowerPC microprocessor "The
high-performance embedded space craves raw MIPS processing and
sophisticated integration for its products," said Daniel Artusi,
Motorola vice president and general manager of the Network and
Computing Systems Group. "The large and influential base of customers
using PowerPC-based designs must be able to create flagship products
and move them into the market rapidly. We've dedicated enormous
resources in research and design to ensure that our PowerPC-based
microprocessors continuously deliver best-in-class customer solutions
for all of our target markets."

 As illustrated by Motorola's PowerPC Strategy Roadmap, the PowerPC
core design facilitates ease of reuse for integrated devices or
semi-custom applications. System level reuse of intellectual property
results in faster time-to-market. In 1998, Motorola captured 36% of
the 32-bit embedded processor market and the PowerPC architecture was
rated the #1 choice for new 32-bit embedded applications*. Coupled
with state-of-the-art design methodology, the PowerPC technology reuse
strategy will further strengthen Motorola's already dominant market
position.

 "The PowerPC roadmap underscores a renewed vigor by Motorola to
advance the PowerPC family," said market watcher Will Strauss,
president of Forward Concepts (Tempe, AZ). "Applying the most advanced
0.15-micron copper HiPerMOS process to the product family indicates
Motorola's substantial investment in advancing the PowerPC
technology."

 Today TeraGLOBAL Communications Corporation, CSP Inc. and DY 4
Systems Inc. announced products based on Motorola's MPC7400 PowerPC
microprocessor with AltiVec technology. These products join other
MPC7400-based solutions recently introduced by Mercury Computer
Systems, Inc. and SKY Computers, Inc. The MPC7400 processor with
AltiVec technology also powers all of Apple's newest and most powerful
desktop computers, the Power MacTM G4 series.

 As the worlds's #1 producer of embedded processors, Motorola's
Semiconductor Products Sector offers multiple DigitalDNATM solutions
which enable customers to create new business computing,
transportation, and wireless communications markets. Motorola's
worldwide semiconductor sales were $7.3 billion (USD) in 1998.

 Motorola is a global leader in providing integrated communications
solutions and embedded electronic solutions. Sales in 1998 were $29.4
billion. For additional information regarding Motorola PowerPC
microprocessors, visit http://motorola.com/PowerPC.

 *Source: Cahner's MicroDesign Resources The Microprocessor Report,
January 1999.
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 M I R A D A   S U P P O R T S   P H E O N I X   C O N S O R T I U M

14 Sep 1999

 It's about time the "big boys" came out to play.

 This has happened before. But unlike before, there truly are some
heavyweights among the rebels (or is that REBOLs?)

 We're going to follow this one closely. It opens so many new and
exciting doors. Maybe we (Mirada) won't have to do a 100% port to
Linux after all (?) ;)

 To show our support, any of you weary may submit your support at our
web-page and we will then forward it to "greenboy". And, to further
show our hearts are in the right place, we will give the
administrators of this project full access to the database via a web
interface.

 Fleecy? Bill?

 We are only asking for the exact information that was asked for on
the TA Mailing List.

Point your browser to the form at:
        http://www.mirada-innovations.com/amigang.phtml

 NOTE: This is not yet officially endorsed by Amino or the "Phoenix
Consortium", we are only doing it in support of the effort, all
information is for the SOLE purpose of this effort. It will be
forwarded to the E-Mail address in the TA Mailing List E-Mail
(greenboy@bigsky.net)

Regards,
Jeffrey D. Webster
Mirada Innovations
http://www.mirada-innovations.com/polls/poll.phtml
(Take our bi-weekly Political polls!)
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             A M I G A   E X T R A V A G A N Z A   9 9

24 Sept. 1999
                            Amiga Extravaganza 99


 WHEN:

October 8th (setup) and get acquainted
Sat Oct 9th: 10am-6pm EST
Sun Oct 10th: 10am-4pm EST

 WHERE:

National Guard Armory 3912 West Minnesota St
Indianapolis, IN

HOW MUCH:

$8 in advance
$10 at the door (2 free tickets with purchase of 1 or more tables)



 Who Will Be There?

 If the vendor has a (*) by the name they are not totally committed or
 pending, this will change.

 Digital Arts

 Amiga, NewTek, DeskStation dealer located in Bloomington, IN
*Seminare

 * ImageFX

 Computer animation and graphics for broadcast television, multimedia
and the Internet

 SystemsForTomorrow

 Hardware and software for Amiga. Located in Independence, MO.

 * Token Media

 Video Imaging Studios has served as the Twin Cities full service
video production center.

 Onyx Technologies

 Telecommunication solutions provider for the small to medium business
"an authorized Altigen Communications Dealer"

 Amazing Amiga Magazine

 The World's First Monthly Amiga Magazine *Seminare

 * John Zacharias

 Author of AEMail, email client for the Amiga

 * Cloanto

 Italian makers of the high-quality PPaint, PSuite and Kara Collection
font/etc. package.

 FWD-Computing

 Mail-order CD-ROM software for Amiga computers

 CompuQuick Media Center

 Hardware, software and peripherals in central Ohio.

 Dan's Deals

 Specializing In Amiga Components and Systems, located in NE Ohio

 Macrohard Computers

 Amiga Hardware dealer out of Ohio, Owner Laurent Arseneau

 Discount Computer Supplies

 Printing and computer supplies, Amiga compatible. Will be presenting
a seminar about re-inking cartridges, creating your own designs for
mouse pads, T-shirts & Cups.

 Details

 Show Space 99ft x 104ft (over 10,000 sq. ft!)

 Iteneriary

 Near by lodging ($ave with our group rate)

 Comfort-Sleep Inn

 Online Application Forms for Vendor/Dealers and User Groups. Vendor
Space (8 ft tables - no limit on the # of tables) this price includes
2 free tickets All fees cover both Saturday and Sunday.

 If you are a User Group please click here, All Vendors/Dealers you
need to click here. Please use one of the links above to apply for
show space. Cost of Booths: $300 (Hurry!! deadline Sept 28th)

 Seafood Newburg & Prime Rib, click! Banquet

 All-U-Can-Eat Buffet $25 per person (Waterfront Inn)

 If you are interested in attending our show and you are not a vendor
or part of a user group please click on the following form. ($ave
Now!)

 AE Shows User Form

Make All Payments Payable To:
  ARCUG, Indianpolis
  Att: Amiga Extravaganza A word from the President of ARCUG
  4007 Lawndale Ave ,Suite A
  Indianapolis, IN 46254

http://www.midlink.com/amiga/aeshows2.html
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            S W E D E N ' S   A M I G A   M A G   D I E S

13 Sept., 1999

 The only printed Swedish Amiga magazine - "Amiga Info/AI Echo" -
announced on September 10 that it has ceased publishing. It was
started in 1996 by Thomas Svensson and the final issue (19) was
published in March of this year. The final issue saw a name change
from Amiga Info to "AI/Echo" to better reflect the magazine changing
from an Amiga-only magazine to one also covering Linux. Although that
meant an increase in sales it was not enough to save the magazine.
AmigaInfo/AI Echo's web site will live on at www.xfiles.se.
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                  W A S T E D   D R E A M S   C D

 Winnipeg, MB, September 11, 1999 Power Solutions announces the first
of its imported titles: Wasted Dreams CD for $49.99 CAD. With its hand
drawn locations, digital speech, 3D rendered animations, strategy
action, and logic puzzles it will keep players busy for some time.
Wasted Dreams will work on any Amiga with 2MB Chip ram and 1MB Fast
ram. It will utilize faster CPU's, more memory, and the AGA chipset if
available.

 As well, our efforts to reduce old inventory continue. The 50% off
sale is still ongoing. Buy Distant Suns CD v5.01 for $29.99 CAD and
receive a 50% discount on all other products in our online ordering
catalog. This discount does NOT apply to the Wasted Dreams CD. Power
Solutions is an Amiga only Canadian company. Access our software
catalog at http://www.powersolutions.mb.ca/cat_sw/

http://www.powersolutions.mb.ca/
info@powersolutions.mb.ca
1-204-453-0527
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       D I G I T A L   I M A G E S '   W I P O U T   2 0 9 7

 September 8th, 1999 - Blittersoft have announced today that we are
now taking pre-orders for the famous Anti-Gravity Racer WipeOut 2097.

 This game needs little introduction, already proving a smash hit
success on the PlayStation and PC platforms. We expect full release in
October.

 At last a game is available on the Amiga that will really show off
the power of the PPC platform and 3D capable graphics hardware.

 For further information and pre-order details, please visit the Store
area on our Website.

http://www.blittersoft.com

Specification:

Highly detailed 3d graphics
8 tracks with up to 15 ships racing concurrently
3 racing modes (time trial/arcade/challenge)
4 racing classes
5 ship models with different characteristics
8 weapons/extras
9 CD audio tracks + 16 bit sound fx
MPEG animations (no external player required)
Keyboard/Mouse/Joypad control (fully configurable)

AMIGA-specific features:

Runs in a window on the workbench (incl. resizing)
Supports triple buffering for max. performance
Increased maximal view distance during the race
Fogging effect
Mipmapping/trilinear filtering (if supported by hardware)
Gamma correction
Optional frame rate limitation

Requirements:

PowerPC 603e CPU (recommended: 604e CPU)
3D gfx card (minimal: CV3D, recommended: CVPPC/BVPPC or newer)
recommended: sound card
minimal 1 MB free HD space (recommended: 70 MB)
24 MB RAM (recommended: 32 MB RAM)
CD-ROM drive
OS 3.0 (recommended: OS 3.1)
CyberGraphX/Picasso96 software
WarpUp V4 software (included)
Warp3D V2 software (included)
recommended: AHI software
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              N E W S C O A S T E R   R E L E A S E D

11 September, 1999

NewsCoaster, Offline Newsreader Available

 Announcing the release of NewsCoaster, a new shareware offline
newsreader for the Amiga. The unregistered version can be downloaded
from Aminet, in comm/news/newscoaster.lha

Minimum Requirements:
- 68020 or better
- MUI
- 4MB RAM (absolute minimum)
- OS3.0 or above

Features:

 - Powerful control over which posts are downloaded (eg, set a maximum
number of posts to download) - can configure for each newsgroup
individually - Killfile on any header - Automatic killfile creation,
based on a particular message (eg, kill this thread, or kill all
messages from this author) - Choose not to download messages greater
than a certain number of lines - Email support to reply to sender -
Automatic rewrapping of text when replying - no more overspilling
lines - Multithreaded interface - view messages whilst replying to
others, and having preferences windows open, continue to use the
program whilst uploading and downloading news - Import function which
reads in all news items from a given directory (and all
sub-directories) allowing you to easily import news from your old
newsreader - MIME Version 1.0 for decoding files - can decode
Quoted-Printable, base64 and uuencoded messages - Attachments - base64
encoding - Search facilities - can search in a particular header, or
in any header, the message body, or the entire message - *, / and _
are converted to bolds, italics and underlines - but this can be
turned off (no more unreadable programming NGs that you get in some
newsreaders...) - You can have eight signatures, with a default
specified for each newsgroup - Easy to use interface - AmigaGuide
documentation - Download Group list option - Many more features..

Please visit http://members.tripod.com/newscoaster for more details.

Thanks,

Mark Harman
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       F U S I O N   F O R   P P C   I N   P R O C E S S

                      FUSION-PPC in the works!

              Deadline for release: November 20th, 1999


17 Sept., 1999

 Microcode Solutions is pleased to announce that the 60 day count down
for the release of the PPC module will begin on September 20th, 1999.

 The PC version is being worked on at the same time as the Amiga
version, so the expected release date will be close to the Amiga
version.

 Although we have 60 days to complete the product, it may be that it
is done much sooner... especially in light of the competition between
Microcode Solutions and Emulators, Inc. to release a PPC version for
the PC.

 The retail price for the PowerPC upgrade module is $199.95. If you
pre-pay before the release of the product (regardless of the stated
release date), you will be charged only $149.95.
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                   P H O T O G E N I C S   4 . 2

15 Sept., 1999

 Paul Nolan is pleased to announce Photogenics 4.2, another free
update to existing users of Photogenics 4.x.

 The main new features in 4.2 are Tool Tips for quick and easy
explanations of all of the items in the tool bar, a Media Cache for
improved Media loading times, and new paint on image processing modes
such as: Gamma, Sharpen, UnsharpMask, BizarrePixelize, Randomize, and
Channel Randomize. Blur, Convolve and RadialBlur have been rewritten
for more speed, features and options. In particular Blur is now
incredibly fast. Processing a 50x50 pixel blur on a 800x600 image now
takes less than 2 seconds on an 060, with a huge 500x500 pixel blur
taking just 3 seconds, and is fast enough to apply with the AirBrush!

 Several minor changes include an enhanced Scale with improved quality
and feedback, an improved Text tool, a reduction in the memory need by
Photogenics by one megabyte (now uses just two megs with no images
loaded), various overall speed improvements, keyboard shortcuts for
zoom and pan, plus tweaks to the user interface.

 Price

$99.99 US Dollars.

Upgrade from Photogenics v1.x or v2: $75 US Dollars.

How to purchase Photogenics

 You can securely order online with your credit card by going to
http://www.paulnolan.com and clicking on Purchase, or by calling the
StarByte order hotline toll free on 1 800 243 1515, extension 400.
Outside of Northern America, please prefix this number with the
necessary dialing code (00 from the UK), and note that international
call charges will apply. If upgrading, you will need your registration
code, type it into the field labeled Comments or tell the salesperson.

 Photogenics is also available fully localized in German, with
distribution in Germany courtesy of Schatztruhe,
http://www.schatztruhe.de.

 For screen shots, a gallery, and even more information please visit
the Photogenics website at http://www.paulnolan.com

 Photogenics is a registered trademark of Paul Nolan. All other
trademarks are the property of their respective owners.
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          P U R E   B A S I C   I S   A V A I L A B L E

11 Sept., 1999

 Pure Basic is brand new 'high level' programming langage based on the
previoulsy etablished B.A.S.I.C rules. It ensure a good compatibility
with similar basic compiler independement of the computer. The
learning is easy, as basic has been created for beginner and the
development time is really fast.

 This software has been developed for the Amiga with the Amiga
enviromment in mind. We have put lot of effort in its realization to
produce fast, reliable and system friendly langage. The respect of the
OS is always the master word, and you couldn't write bad software with
the basic commandset provided. Of course, you could add any other
functions to bash the hardware and use all the Amiga power, if you
need it.

 The syntax is easy, but the possibilities are huge because some
'advanced' functions has been added to this langage like pointers,
structure, procedure, dynamic linked lists, and more.. For the
experienced coder, there is no problem to access any of the legal OS
structures or amiga objects.

 Finally, Pure Basic support the 680x0 processor and in early stage
the PowerPC. The PowerPC processor is not fully working yet because we
don't have any PPC accelerator at the Fantaisie Software team to
achieve the tests. The 68000 part has been very optimized to output
the best code as possible, but we're sure we could do even better !


 Look yourself at the main features of Pure Basic:

 - 68000 and 68020+ support (PowerPC in progress)

 - Built-in Array, dynamic linked list, complex structure, pointer
 and variable definitions

 - Supported types: Byte (8 bit), Word (16 bits), Long (32) and user
 defined ones (structures)

 - Signed (finished) and unsigned (partially) support for standard
types

 - Built-in strings type

 - Constants, binary and hexadecimal numbers support

 - Very good expression reducer by grouping constants and numeric
numbers together

 - Standard arithmetic support with respect of signs priority and
parenthesis:
 +, -, /, *, and, or, lsl, asl, lsr, asr

 - Compile about 30 000 lines/min on a 68030/50 (with PoolMem
installed)

 - Procedure support for structured programming with locals and global
variables (not fully finished)

 - All Standard BASIC keywords: If-Else-EndIf, Repeat-Until ...

 - External libraries support to manipulate easily objects like IFF
pictures, screens, windows, gadgets...

 - Precompiled structures and constants files for extra fast
compiling.

 - Cool debugger to stop the program execution and trace the bugs
easily.

 - Configurable CLI compiler

 - System friendly, easy to install and always under development


 Visit our site web at: http://www.citeweb.net/fantaisi/

 Enjoy the Amiga power !

 © 1999 - Fantaisie Software -
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Date:    Wed, 22 Sep 1999 11:30:00 +0100
From:    Greg greg@gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk
To:      petra.struck@online-club.de
Subject: KOSH News


After a long enforced break, KOSH is finally back! Discussion lists are
running again, work is being done and the website is even being updated
:) New members are welcome as ever, and we welcome all skill levels and
platform advocates.

Current website mirrors are:

http://www.iconimaging.net/kosh/
http://kosh.convergence.org/
http://www.gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk/kosh/

About KOSH

KOSH is a new platform being designed and built by the users,
developers, retailers and journalists who will use it. It offers the
potential for real innovation in hardware and software whilst also
allowing for the best use of existing machines. It puts the individual
at the centre of the computing experience and empowers them to create,
work and play in the virtual world. Built on a firm commercial base, it
will be owned by the same users, developers, retailers and journalists
that go to make up its vibrant community.

Thank you,


--------------------------------------------------

Greg
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ssu97gw@reading.ac.uk, greg@gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk

KOSH [Kommunity Orientated Software Hardware]

Weekly Summary

Week Commencing: 11th September 1999

Number: 026

Mailing List: kosh-general@icon2.iconimaging.net

In the mailing list this week, the following items were discussed.

I'm happy to receive comments on this summary (and corrections if I have made
mistakes). Email me (Bridge) at kosh-scribe@mythicz.u-net.com

Well it has been a while - the last summary was in June when kosh.net vanished.
We now have access to the same kosh-general mailing list but it is located at
kosh-general@icon2.iconimaging.net which in fact is the same as "kosh.net". On
that note it is important to a) send messages to the icon2 address and b) when
replying to messages check your "Send to:" field to make sure it says icon2 as
it has a habit of filling in "kosh.net" which doesn't work (this has been
demonstrated on a number of email packages).

kosh-general@iconimaging.net also works now but the above is still relevant for
people replying to older messages.

I am also posting summary 25 with this one (in a separate file in case you want
to avoid it!) as a reminder of what was going on back in June.

Anyway, on with the show!


a)

Subject: KOSH is back!

Summary of debate: It never really went away, it just went a bit quiet for a
                   while. Please note the following items for KOSH:

                   1) Email address is kosh-general@icon2.iconimaging.net (read
                   the introduction above for more information) BUT
                   kosh-general@iconimaging.net works without all the problems
                   described above so try this instead if you are creating new
                   mail (thanks to Jason Radford for fixing this).

                   2) The KOSH website is located on a mirror at
                   http://www.gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk/kosh/index.html

                   3) The KOSH booklist remains at
                   http://www.snowcrash.u-net.com/kosh/booklist.html and is
                   well worth a look through.

                   4) If you have a query such as "where did that bit of KOSH
                   info go?" then please email me (Bridge) at
                   kosh.scribe@mythicz.u-net.com and I'll either have it to
                   hand or know someone that does.


b)

Subject: New method for summaries

Summary of debate: An alternative interactive internet based way of producing
                   summaries is being looked at. The beginnings of this can be
                   seen at http://www.tele2.co.uk/~flump/kosh/ and mention on
                   the ML of things like Perl and Mason has occurred.

c)

Subject: Second user survey draft

Summary of debate: This is where we left off back in June discussing the User
                   Summary that Greg and co were working on. I'm leaving
                   summarising it off of this summary as it sort of took over
                   back in June and I'm going to keep this summary general:P
                   Suffice to say all is progressing well. Thank to Greg for
                   getting this one started again.


d)

Subject: 3D+ data manipulation

Summary of subject: A bit back I was discussing with Greg Webb and John
                    Chandler my ideas for 3D data manipulation. At the moment
                    we all have cosy spreadsheets that let you enter data on
                    the x and y planes (columns and rows). However in every day
                    usage I find this constricting as I need a visual (and not
                    just mathematical) way to place data on x,y and z planes.
                    While this can be done with conventional spreadsheets just
                    about if you have to y-axis on the resulting graphs it
                    hardly makes for perfection. The idea is that perhaps apps
                    in KOSH can be written to take 3D (or more - although
                    changes over time normally gets stuck on the x-axis in
                    conventional spreadsheets) data sets and be able to view
                    them on screen, rotating through them, using pan, scan and
                    zoom to be able to view the whole thing in any way you
                    want. Now this may only be possible in a "3d" or
                    holographic monitor - but maybe not as the eye can easily
                    be tricked.

                    It was suggested that there may be people out there that
                    actually need nD data manipulation tools - and this could
                    well be a killer app for KOSH.


e)

Subject: RF bugs KOSH?

Summary of debate: A way to make computers transmit RF information by executing
                   code to put data on a bus in a certain pattern has been
                   figured out. The potential for using this to bug people's
                   machines with nothing more complicated than a small software
                   agent and a cheap radio could well be a real problem for
                   KOSH if we decide to implement this type of technology (and
                   why not - after all KOSH is inclusive).

                   What sort of steps could we take to plug this potential
                   problem but still allow this technology to be used in KOSH?

                   It was suggested that a system of public and private keys
                   could be used to plug this hole as a transmitting system
                   would have to send an underlying carrier wave containing a
                   valid key for the recipient machine to "listen" and act on
                   the main message.


f)

Subject: EROS

Summary of debate: An interesting URL of http://www.eros-os.org was mentioned
                   which people may want to take a look at.


g)

Subject: IMPORTANT! All KOSH Working group progress managers and maintaners
         please read.

Summary of debate: A direct cross-list post from Greg that is important for the
                   above to read:

We seem to be having difficulties contacting our working group progress
manager and maintainer of our supporters list, so we haven't been able
to get up-to-date information on either for some time. If you're
involved with a working group or have registered your interest as a
supporter and are not shown here then please get in touch so we can
update the necessary details.

The relevant page to check whether you're registered is
http://www.gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk/kosh/kommunity/index.html and I'd
appreciate any resulting information coming in to me.

Thanks,
Greg


h)

Subject: Open KOSH

Summary of debate: Following an idea myself and others had on the nature of
                   KOSH towards other competing systems, Greg Webb (yep it's
                   that man again!) has compiled an article on this. The
                   general jist is that if KOSH is open about its weaknesses as
                   well as its strengths particularly when at computer shows
                   then we will generate a more honest atmosphere with users
                   whom KOSH is designed to serve (and not control unlike
                   certain other systems out there).

                   To demonstrate openness, an example given is that at a
                   computer show we could line up several computers running
                   (for example) AmigaOS, KOSH, Linux, Windows and MacOS and
                   then demonstrate each to its full potential. The conclusion
                   hopefully will be that KOSH is better than the rest for the
                   user to get the "thing" to do what they want. However if
                   KOSH fouls up and another system turns out better at
                   performing a particular function we admit this openly and go
                   away and fix the problem on KOSH.

                   See the KOSH URL for the full interesting text (and it does
                   make a good read - some very thought provoking things in
                   there).


i)

Subject: KOSH and Convergence International

Summary of debate: John Chandler has given a short KOSH update to James Sears
                   for inclusion in the next Convergence international
                   newsletter. James has offered assistance to KOSH to get
                   around the kosh.net DNS problem (thanks James).


j)

Subject: Re-announcing KOSH


Summary of debate: If anyone has -any- computer contacts that they can email to
                   say "KOSH is back at  and " then please do so.
                   Only thing is that we may want to coordinate this as we
                   could end up bombarding some unsuspecting person. I've
                   emailed Amiga Format (Ben Vost) and am contacting
                   Petra Struck of http://www.amiga-news.de .
                   John has contacted Convergence International (see above).
                   Can anyone else offer up other contacts?


k)

Subject: Fleecy's Lentil

Summary of debate: Fleecy Moss and John Karcher are working on Lentil which (I
                   think from my limited understanding) is a logical and formal
                   language being developed due to reservations about IDL. They
                   are currently designing a Java tool that allows entities to
                   be designed and maintained. More details to follow in the
                   fullness of time.


l)

Subject: Dave Haynie and the Object Sea

Summary of debate: Someone emailed me and told me Dave is still working on the
                   above which is a jolly good thing. (For those doubters out
                   there - see KOSH is coming back to life after... well not
                   really dying in the first place).


m)

Subject: KOSH Owls

Summary of debate: Gary Peake of http://www.OwlNet.net offered the email
                   address kosh-list@owlnet.net (thanks Gary). I don't know if
                   this is up and running or if we are sticking with icon2.
                   Watch this space for more info next week hopefully.


n)

Subject: KOSH FAQs

Summary of debate: Greg Webb has written some but more are needed on anything
                   related (or vaguely related) to KOSH. Offers of assistance
                   to greg@gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk please.


o)

Subject: Multiprocessing KOSH

Summary of debate: A direct quote from Greg here which is interesting:

Amiga.org are reporting that there's a patent application from Amiga
Development on IBM's patents server covering multiprocessor bits:

At least two clusters of CPUs are present in a multiprocessor computer
system. Each CPU cluster has a given number of CPUs, each CPU having an
associated ID such as an ID number. An additional ID number, not
associated with a CPU in the same cluster, is associated with the
opposite CPU cluster that appears to the original cluster as a "phantom"
processor. A round-robin bus arbitration scheme allows ordered ownership
of a common bus within a first cluster until the ID reaches the
"phantom" processor, at which time bus ownership passes to a CPU in the
second cluster. This arrangement is preferably symmetric, so that when a
CPU from the first cluster requests ownership of the bus, it is granted
bus ownership by virtue of the first cluster's appearance to the second
cluster as a "phantom" CPU.

Does this sound useful to our hardware people?

See: http://amiga.org/articles/1999/0901-aipatents.shtml


p)

Subject: New KOSH mirror site

Summary of debate: A new mirror site for KOSH can be found at
                   http://kosh.convergence.org/ and you'll find some space
                   kindly donated by http://www.convergence.org/ This should be
                   quicker than the current location (again thanks to
                   Convergence International for their kind help with this).


q)

Subject: Amiga, KOSH and QNX

Summary of debate: With Amiga declaring that they are not going to make
                   hardware but concentrate on software perhaps should switch
                   the idea of one of the hosts for KOSH being AmigaOS to QNX.
                   If we stay with Amiga which from recent announcements seems
                   to be going to be hosted over other things then we end up
                   with the silly situation of base OS with 2 levels of hosting
                   on top.

                   Please note that this is only in reference to AmigaNG and not
                   "Classic" which a number of people have said we should port
                   to. Also note there is no change with the idea of hosting on
                   Linux and Windows.


r)

Subject: AmiJoe and KOSH

Summary of debate: With Met@Box producing the AmiJoe accelerator for the A4000
                   perhaps KOSH should consider porting a hosted version
                   specifically to take advantage of this and other PPC Amigas?


s)

Subject: Transmeta and KOSH

Summary of debate: Simple question - Is Transmeta of any use to KOSH?


t)

Subject: Team Amiga, Phoenix Platform Consortium and KOSH

Summary of debate: A cross-ML posting with two things of interest:
                   To join Team Amiga ML send an email to Gary Peak TA
                   coordinator at gpeake@texas.net with the subject of
                   "join TA request" and your personal details. All info
                   provided by you on joining will be for internal TA/TAC use
                   only.

                   Secondly here is a snippet from the rest of the email which
                   is very interesting for KOSH although please note that there
                   were mixed feelings about what Phoenix is trying to do:

The Phoenix Platform Consortium will assume responsibility for aid and
recommendation for reference platforms for the Amiga users who wish to
upgrade their present Amigas, as we establish an open migration path
to a new platform. That platform will in spirit and in feel be a new
Amiga experience while incorporating and surpassing the features found
on the desktop elsewhere today.

As information becomes available it will be posted on mailing lists,
newsgroups, and at the following website: http://owlnet.net/phoenix/
which will be up shortly. This announcement is freely repostable.


u)

Subject: KOSH Subscribers

Summary of debate: There is a problem at the moment that some KOSHans are not
                   receiving emails via the icon2 email address we are using.
                   Obviously this creates a problem. Please can you therefore
                   email Greg Webb at greg@gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk and let him
                   know that you are getting the emails. We can then coordinate
                   a "rescue package" to contact other KOSHans who have been
                   dropped off of the list (by comparing the respondents to
                   Greg with the kosh-general@kosh.net ML subscribee list that
                   we have).


v)

Subject: Why KOSH?

Summary of debate: I seem to be quoting a lot in full this week but why not -
                   its not as though there have been many summaries to read
                   since June. Here is a quote from Greg Webb (does this guy do
                   anything but KOSH? - all credit due to him!) which I
                   particularly like:

KOSH isn't just a software engineering project. The thing that really
sets us apart and makes me particularly fond of this project - for those
who hadn't noticed ;) - is the ideology behind it. We're not in this
just to produce something fantastic, we're in it to produce something
for the community. So, rather than a more traditional corporate
structure, we're set up so that KOSH is owned (when these considerations
actually mean anything) by a combination of those who've developed it
(as in us guys), those who own KOSH boxes and those who sell KOSH boxes.
No corporate investors running this for financial gain, just a community
of people who want to avoid the horrific problems that the Amiga
platform has suffered. So, we're set up to do everything we can to make
that impossible.

Greg


w)

Subject: New hardware from IBM

Summary of debate: IBM recently announced availability of PPC motherboard
                   designs. This should help start up Mac clones again (with
                   MacOS X on UNIX/NeXT). Motorola have announced PPC G5 (64
                   and 32 bit products, new pipeline, new bus topology, 2GHz+)
                   and G6. This hardware could be used for KOSH systems.


x)

Subject: TransAM/One

Summary of debate: Interest was expressed on the list for Met@Box to start up
                   the TransAM/One project again as this would present a very
                   interesting hardware opportunity for KOSH (noting it would
                   not be the only hardware solution - inclusive but not
                   exclusive...)






From:     "Colin-Stewart Bridge Deady" csbdeady@mythicz.u-net.com
Date:     18 Sep 99 11:52:33 +0000
Subject:  [KOSH] Summary 25 to go with 26
To:       kosh-general@iconimaging.net
Reply-To: kosh-general@iconimaging.net

As promissed here is summary 25 to go with 26 so we can remember what
was going on in June...

-Bridge


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KOSH [Kommunity Orientated Software Hardware]

Weekly Summary

Week Commencing: 12th June 1999

Number: 025

Mailing List: kosh-general

In the mailing list this week, the following items were discussed. Please do
not email the scribe regarding any of these topics, it is not his job to answer
these questions but merely to report  the topics of conversation. If you have
any queries about this summary, please email ben@kosh.net, stating the Summary
Number, and Mailing List Name, and he will try to answer your queries.

a)

Subject: Community involvement in Linux - an example for KOSH?

Summary of debate: Linux stresses community involvement and feedback. See
                   http://www.kde.org - from the website can be seen where KOSH
                   could go in terms of feed back mechanisms (documentation,
                   FAQ, wish list, bug reports, etc).


b)

Subject: KOSH Installation

Summary of debate: It was pointed out that KOSH being easy to install and
                   working first time will present a good first impression to a
                   user. It was also mentioned that subsequent usage and
                   alteration of the system should also maintain the good
                   impression.


c)

Subject: Second User Survey Draft

Summary of debate: The KOSH Survey WG released the second version of its User
                   Survey Questionnaire. Changes incorporated included an
                   additional section on disabilities and a note that personal
                   questions are completely optional and various other
                   amendments.

                   See the email from Greg Webb (greg@gpwebb.freeserve.co.uk)
                   date 14/06 and entitled "[KOSH] Second survey draft" for the
                   full text.

                   This again generated a large number of replies with many
                   constructive comments on the survey. Even though the survey
                   is developing very well a number of areas such as the
                   personal questions section were felt in need of further
                   development. Even so, a big thanks to all the hard work that
                   the Survey WG have put in to this project.

                   One key point for the future is that there will most likely
                   be a "Developers Survey" and therefore the one we are
                   creating at the moment does not need to cover everything.
                   However we do note that developers are users and vice versa.

                   I won't detail all the different comments on the second
                   draft as I'm sure the Survey WG will be taking their own
                   notes and I don't want to take up the entire summary with
                   it. If you're interested in the work of that group please
                   feel free to get involved!

c)

Subject: Volunteers to translate the survey to other languages.

Summary of debate: As well as Thomas Jensen offering to do a Danish translation
                   of the survey, Philippe 'Elwood' Ferucci has volunteered to
                   do a French version. Thanks to both of you.

                   If anyone else would be able to translate the Survey into
                   other languages when it is completed please would they make
                   themselves known to kosh-general@kosh.net


d)

Subject: Deadlocking in KOSH

Summary of debate: The following questions were posed:
                   "How will Deadlock (resource circularity, mutual exclusion,
                   hold&wait) be dealt with?  In current OSes it is not a
                   serious problem because there are not many places it can
                   occur - but in a sea of objects all offering services, the
                   possibility for deadlock must increase 1000 (or a million?)
                   fold... [Without this] KOSH...won't work for more than a few
                   minutes before the entire system freezes up solid under
                   heavy load".

                   Apparently Unix ignores deadlock and hopes it will go away,
                   working on the grounds that it does not happen all that
                   often. Hopefully a better solution will be found in  KOSH?

                   There are plenty of ways to prevent deadlocks from ever
                   ocurring by being careful about how you hand out resources
                   and checking with process what resources they could
                   conceivably need.

                   Alternatively getting rid of "hold & wait" just like in
                   current filing systems could be the way to solve this. The
                   OS can be set up so that, if a process wants some resources,
                   it has to give up others.


                   A deadlocking object in the resource manager was proposed.


e)

Subject: Atari computers and MiNT

Summary of debate: It was mentioned that those using Atari computers now use
                   MiNT which has multitasking and is POSIX compliant. See
                   http://www.altos.org.uk/mint/index.html which has a guide to
                   FreeMiNT. MiNT is a hybrid of Unix and TOS. Perhaps this has
                   some ideas that are relevant to KOSH.


f)

Subject: KOSH website location

Summary of debate: Just in case you missed it, the most up-to-date version of the
                   website is currently at http://www.rdg.ac.uk/~ssu97gw/kosh/

                   It should move to kosh.net/ soonish.


g)

Subject: Developing users

Summary of debate: In reference to the User Survey it was mentioned that
                   developers and users are often the same people. If we could
                   make it so that in KOSH every user could behave as a
                   developer at any time we would make the system much more
                   accessible. We would thus avoid creating an  unnatural
                   separation and scare people into a division between the two.

                   We must be careful not to scare off people who just want to
                   be users.


h)

Subject: EPOC32

Summary of debate: The Psion 5 keyboard being nice to type on compared to other
                   palmtops was mentioned and this generated a comment that
                   EPOC32 has some nice things in it that KOSH may like to look
                   at (scribe's note: presumably EPOC32 is an OS and not a
                   keyboard though).


i)

Subject: KOSH FAQ

Summary of debate: "Our Greg" has asked he could have some questions to put
                   into the KOSH FAQ please. Oh and Frequently given answers
                   would be nice as well.


j)

Subject: Sheep and #HHHHHH

Summary of debate: There was lots of discussion on sheep and dodgy HTML code
                   involving #HHHHHH which gives lots of interesting results
                   depending on where you see it - oh and watching the Simpsons
                   when one should be working on one's studies was also
                   mentioned... and that's all I'm saying about this:P